Friday, November 18, 2005

Abortion Questions For Both Libs and Conservatives

Libs: are you against a woman using drugs during her pregnancy? If so, then why is it okay for a woman to have an abortion because it is her own body and her own choice, but not use drugs?

Conservatives: (that believe that abortion is okay) Why is it that most conservatives who believe that Roe v. Wade should stand as it is, LOVE Scalia? They love Scalia so much so that they would LOVE to have all 9 Justices share his philosophy. I find it strange every time a non-social conservative expresses love for Scalia because now adays, most of the issues before the court are social issues. If you want Roe v. Wade to stand, or don't care about homosexuals marrying then why would you LOVE Scalia? And why would you want more of him on the Supreme Court? This doesn't make sense to me.

Roe v. Wade is the case everyone is fighting for. If there were more Scalia's on the court it might be in jeopardy. Is this really such a bad thing though? Even if you are pro-abortion.... just because the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade that doesn't make abortion illegal. I don't think people understand this. It just means that the legislature - the people that should have been in charge of this in the first place - will have to make rules. OH NO! The court SHOULD NEVER have made a decision like this, this is a political question, and it should have been in the hands of the legislature from day 1.

That is my Constitutional thought of the day- Thanks!

21 Comments:

Blogger Eddie said...

They legislated from the bench.

Nice post. No one deserves to be murdered.

8:52 AM  
Blogger Texas Cynic said...

Anti,

You're right about the Court and the abortion issue. If Roe vs. Wade is overturned, abortion becomes a "states rights issue", so do privacy laws.

If this happens, you will have another "Great Migration" of people. Progressives will flee the South and go to places like New York, Mass., and Cali., forcing consrevatives in those states down South. You will wind up with a virtual theocracy in the "red states" and secular government in the blue states.

3:52 PM  
Blogger The Anti-Liberali said...

That is great! The North and Cali can take all the sinners... then all the libs will be located in only a few states - so they will never win another election! Sounds good to me!

7:00 PM  
Blogger Ranting Republican said...

Well AL - as for Roe - terrible law, legislating from the bench without question...I am not against abortion per se, but I am against Roe. It should have been left to the state legislatures. And yes, I love Scalia. He obviously would have been a dissenter in Roe.

3:02 PM  
Blogger Smoke Eater said...

But don't you understand, if the ELECTED branch of government was allowed to do what they are SUPPOSED to do (make law), then we "eeevilll" conservatives might have a voice. Therefore, the only way for "liberals" to get what they want done, is to make sure they pack the courts, then just sue for what they want done, thereby taking the power (which is given by the Constitution) to the legislature to the courts (which are only supposed to INTERPRET the laws).

6:31 PM  
Blogger Texas Cynic said...

You guys have such a bad memory.

I love when conservatives say, "Brown vs. Board of Education was the result of an activist court. They should have just let the states work the issue out. Eventually, they would have got it right."

7:14 PM  
Blogger American Idiot said...

as a "lib" here is my response to your question about drugs. it isn't "okay" to use drugs or drink or whatever you want to do when you are pregnant. the problem is that it is bad for both the mother and the baby. but the fact is if you want to do drugs and make your baby retarded it is your stupid decision to do so. but drugs are illegal anyway so we shouldn't be doing them pregnant or not.
similar to this is drinking while pregnant. this is not illegal and it is certainly within a woman's right to go get shitfaced every night for nine months if she wants to. again, a terrible decision, but not illegal.

liberals don't think it is "good" to have abortions. they aren't saying let's go get pregnant so we can have abortions. and we certainly are not for drinking or drugs during the pregnancy. but if that is the choice that the dumbass mother makes then so be it. but to say liberals think it is okay to drink and do drugs during pregnancy is ridiculous. no one thinks that is a good idea.

7:28 PM  
Blogger The Anti-Liberali said...

So drugs are illegal and that means they are bad? Funny!

So doing something illegal is what makes what a pregnant mother is doing wrong? So if we make abortion illegal then it would all the sudden be wrong to do? Drinking alcohol or overdosing on over the counter meds aren't wrong and shouldn't be punished?

It seems to me that there is a contradiction here. You need to be more consistent. Either you are: 1. For the mother's privacy and right to her own body or 2. for the child and mother's body in the process

So you are 1. for abortion and anything else the mother wants to do while she is pregnant or 2. against it. Simple really!

6:34 AM  
Blogger American Idiot said...

actually there is no contradiction. i didnt say drugs were bad. i said doing drugs while pregnant is bad for the child. i would never endorse that but if the mother, knowing the risks it poses to the child, makes the decision to drink or do drugs then she will have to deal with the consequences of potentially fucking up her child. i dont endorse any of the activities but it is not my place to tell that woman what to do. if she wants to be reckless and irresponsible then she is an idiot.

there is nothing illegal about drinking while pregnant but it is still just as bad if not worse than doing drugs. the legality issue is not a factor.

7:35 AM  
Blogger Tori said...

For once I actually agree with american idiot. Lord don't strike me now.

10:03 AM  
Blogger The Anti-Liberali said...

So basically you are saying... screw the children, if the mom wants to do drugs or drink alcohol then it is just a stupid mom - oh well?

You don't see it fit that we should protect children from this? You think that we should allow mothers to abuse their unborn babies? There are people born with mental handicaps now because of this... and that is okay? As a society we are going to take care of these abused babies for the rest of their lives. God knows a mother that does that wont be around much to take care of that child.

It amazes me that people think that is okay. But on the other hand you must think that is okay if you believe that we should allow abortion.

2:27 PM  
Blogger lilybriscoe said...

What do you propose instead? Should we have pregnant women under constant surveillance to make sure they don't drink or do drugs? Should there be mandatory drug screening at monthly OB/GYN appointments? What about caffeine and sushi? Those are substances that can lead to potential birth defects. What do you propose we do about pregnant women who drink more than three cups of coffee per day or those who fail to take vitamins with folic acid?

As a pregnant woman, basically, everything that you put in your mouth effects the development of the child. Everything you eat, drink, or even inhale is a choice about the health of that baby. As a pregnant woman who is extremely careful to be as healthy as possible right now, I am not prepared to have anyone other than myself decide what I can eat, drink, and breath. In deciding to have a child, I do not forfeit my autonomy and freedom for the next several months.

3:08 PM  
Blogger The Anti-Liberali said...

I can see where you are coming from.. but lets be honest here. Cocaine/drugs/alcohol is much worse than a cup of coffee or some caffeine.

I don't think that everyone should be checked constantly - there is a point to where it is impossible to discover. But I think if a doctor is suspicious of a mother abusing drugs or alcohol they should be allowed to test them. I am sure it would be a simple test and I find it hard that it is going WAY out of your way to sit there for a simple blood test when you were at the dr. already in the first place. If you haven't been doing drugs then you shouldn't have a problem with it.

And my point about this post was not about the drugs/alcohol. It is the fact that liberals and others that believe that abortion is okay contradict themselves on this point. Most people feel that it is okay for a woman to have an abortion because it is her body and she has the right to privacy... but at the same time they don't feel that women should be allowed to do drugs while pregnant. And that doesn't make sense to me... I was asking for clarification on that matter

3:14 PM  
Blogger Texas Cynic said...

Look at it this way....Should the government be authorized to say when life begins?

3:51 PM  
Blogger The Anti-Liberali said...

More so then the Supreme Court!

3:59 PM  
Blogger Tori said...

"But I think if a doctor is suspicious of a mother abusing drugs or alcohol they should be allowed to test them. I am sure it would be a simple test and I find it hard that it is going WAY out of your way to sit there for a simple blood test when you were at the dr. already in the first place. If you haven't been doing drugs then you shouldn't have a problem with it."

-then what do we do when/if we find they are positive for drugs/alcohol?

3:11 PM  
Blogger The Anti-Liberali said...

Monitor them, or rehab... I think the interest of the child that cannot take care of itself should be greater then the mother doing damage to both of them

Is your solution to just let the the mother do as she pleases? Put the burden on us and force us to take care of the children born out of this? That sounds a lot like welfare to me... let people do as they please and put the burden on society to take care of their needs!

3:18 PM  
Blogger Tori said...

honestly, A-L, do you really think its possible to monitor EVERY pregnant girl/woman in this country to make sure they are taking care of themselves?

Who would do this? Who would pay for this? You know we are on the same "side" 99% of the times but lets be realistic.

8:59 AM  
Blogger The Anti-Liberali said...

Actually Tori in the comment that I left before I NEVER said we need to monitor EVERY pregnant woman. I said that if there is a suspicion then there coule be a test - a SIMPLE BLOOD TEST. And if that test comes out positive then we need to monitor. Of course you can't monitor every single pregnant woman. But you suggest that we allow pregnant women to do as they wish - who cares about the outcome... while society has the burden of taking care of all of these hurt children

11:54 AM  
Blogger American Idiot said...

are we living in fascist nazi germany or something? why not stamp barcodes on people to monitor them always? mandatory blood tests for any pregnant woman with bloodshot eyes!!!

5:44 PM  
Blogger The Anti-Liberali said...

Oh I am sorry... I guess you are right. Letting the mother abuse her baby and make it retarded and leaving society to pay for the injured child for the rest of its life IS SO MUCH BETTER!!! What was I thinking... a simple blood test for a woman suspected of drugs. IDIOT!

5:51 PM  

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